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The Error of YWAM Exposed

Mike Oppenheimer at www.letusreason.org has written a 4 part expose on YWAM outlining their continued error, spiritual abuse, and absolute support by Calvary Chapel Honolulu specifically, as well as Calvary Chapels nationally and internationally.

Quick Summary of YWAMs error

screen-shot-2019-06-02-at-10.45.51-amYWAM and its leadership embraces the “New Apostolic Reformation” (NAR) false teachings that include the “7 Mountain Mandate” and is essentially a Dominionist teaching. Dominionism in a narrow sense, is incompatible with pre-millennial evangelical Christianity and leads to extreme right wing political beliefs which can be summarized as “Christian Nationalism”.

A broader usage of the term dominionism / dominionist leads to confusion and attempts to marginalize any discussion on theology.

This zone of confusion and marginalization is where YWAM thrives. Traditional Christianity does not teach we are to love this world or try to take over it’s governments, educational and entertainment industries.  This is just the beginning of YWAM’s problems.

Links are at the end of my article. Skip ahead for the links or continue to read along as you wish for more of a background on this topic.

Waxer, Danny, Bud and Bill.

Waxer, Danny, Bud and Bill. the Calvary Chapel Clique

Mike Oppenheimer is a very kind person and only mentions a certain “Hawaii Calvary Chapel pastor”, in his article so I have added a photo so you, my readers can figure out who is who.

I probably know at least half the men in the photo on a first name basis (I was never introduced to JD Farag and a few others) and I would like to think most of them are genuinely ignorant (of YWAMs errors); but I also know at least some of them are very willingly ignorant of YWAM’s errors. This leaves ONLY two possible options. #1. they don’t speak out because being a pastor is a good job and they don’t want to be unemployed. (this begs the question are they even believers or just good at their job) #2. they know about the error and tolerate, condone and spread it willingly in their pursuit of filthy lucre. Where a individual leaves “being afraid to lose his job” and enters true apostasy is between them and God. I don’t judge any of them eternally but their error here on this planet needs to be addressed. Period!

I beg these guys in the picture above. Many whom I have been friends with and prayed with and cried with and laughed and grew up with. Do you really believe the Bible is true? If its true, then ALL of it is true. Guys please look at THE EVIDENCE and stop being afraid of your clique or whatever you oathed. If they fire you or disown you, rip the dove off your pulpit and building (if you even have a building) and keep on preaching if you are truly a man of God. You will be a celebrity in HEAVEN, the only place it counts. Where is your FAITH? Look at the evidence! 

The Calvary Chapel Honolulu and YWAM connection

Danny Lehmann (YWAM Honolulu) and Bill Stonebraker are the same age thereabouts and both admit being in the same place and same time. That place being Southern California during the “Jesus Movement” in the early 1970′s. This is the same Jesus Movement that brought us a wide ranking of acid tripping pastors such as Lonnie Frisbee, Greg Laurie and Hawaii’s own Danny Lehmann.

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lightning bolt surfboards

Did Bill and Danny know each other from the Southern California surf scene? This is very possible as even today, surfing and surfers are a well knit clique. Danny certainly knew who Bill was. Bill Stonebraker was a famous surfer and surfboard shaper for Greg Noll and Lightnng Bolt Surfboards.

The first time I think either of them admit being acquainted was when Bill Stonebraker was preaching out of the Diamond Head theater in the 1980s and as the story goes, Danny gave Bill a prophecy that he would be the “shepherd of many sheep” or something along those lines. This is (thought to be) why Bill refuses to address Danny Lehmans error to this day.

Danny Lehmann, Greg Laurie and Bill Stonebraker are the tightest of friends and the only thing I can say with certainty about their early days is that if you ask any one of them about Lonnie Frisbee they will get very uncomfortable and try to walk away from you (or me) or just cut you off. I have done it. Try it. They get very mad. Ask them what they are hiding? How close were they to Lonnie?

Harvest-A-Greg-LaurieGreg Laurie for certain was very close. Greg was known to follow Lonnie around and even dressed like him. Maybe they were more than friends? Is it true that when Lonnie Frisbee was basically excommunicated from Calvary Chapel, Greg Laurie took over Lonnie’s “front line” evangelist position and even the congregation at All Saints Episcopal Church in Riverside? Try asking Bill or Greg any of these questions and watch the sparks fly.

Lonnie Frisbee, Kathryn Kuhlmann and Chuck Smith

Lonnie Frisbee, Kathryn Kuhlmann and Chuck Smith

Danny Lehmann used to mention Lonnie on occasion but not anymore. Mum has become the word. Lonnie is erased from Calvary Chapel history. If you don’t know why you really need to start doing your own research.

Not a single Calvary Chapel or Word for Today published book mentions Lonnie Frisbee at all even though he is the real reason the Jesus Movement happened. Well Lonnie Frisbee was used by Chuck Smith and known witch Kathryn Kuhlmann. The evidence is readily available and not hard to find, you just wont find it in a Calvary Chapel bookstore. 

The reason is simple. Any discussion of Lonnie Frisbee is a rabbit hole that takes you into a world of error and apostasy that on one hand while Calvary Chapels (Harvest, One Love, Fresh Love, etc) claim to resist, the evidence is today’s greater apostasy (the entire Christian Contemporary Music scene and the word faith-prosperity movement) actually BEGAN in the Calvary Chapel inspired Jesus Movement of the 1970′s but that is a WHOLE different story. 

Today we are exposing YWAMs error.

Mike Oppenheimer’s articles come out at the same time as a pair of unrelated videos were dropped on the internet.

ywam : what you don’t know (my ywam dts experience

Also here;

Pastors Condemn Decades of Abuse Amid Allegations Against YWAM

After watching both videos I believe the timing of Mike Oppenheimers article below is impeccable.  While the videos speak for themselves, Mike Oppenheimer gives the real meat and potatoes behind YWAM’s abuse and history of error.

So… Rather than spin our wheels in the endless doughnut of YWAM logic (or lack thereof)

Here are Mike Oppenheimers articles in their entirety.

The Unbiblical Openness of YWAM part 1 - YWAM’s experiments with the youth.

The Unbiblical Openness of YWAM part 2 - My personal experience, YWAM’s ecumenism and its founders view of Eschatology

The Unbiblical Openness of YWAM part 3 - The many influences of the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation)

The Unbiblical Openness of YWAM part 4 - YWAM’s connection to Lou Engle (NAR Wacko) and “The Send”.

CALVARY CHAPEL update from Jacob Prasch

Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries has released an update on the continuing and escalating problems of the Calvary Chapel fragmentation now well underway.

Jacob brings us up to date on what many Calvary Chapel pastors are still denying is even happening, or they are denying the severity of it. If your particular Calvary Chapel pastor will even acknowledge these events at all, he may reference it as something like “growing pains” or a “minor church split”, but the truth is a much darker and much more problematic. For starters, Chuck Smith’s old church, CC Costa Mesa has been hijacked by Brian Broderson and is no longer even considered a Calvary Chapel. So the Calvary Chapel movement is now, as Jacob Prasch says in his video, “a fleet without a flagship”.

The Two Ton Elephant in the Room

At around 27 minutes into his above video, Jacob begins to reference Greg Laurie as being “the two ton elephant in the room”. I thought for sure Jacob was going to mention the recent appearance of Greg Laurie at the interfaith prayer breakfast the day of the Trump inauguration. This was the day when Greg Laurie joined together with Jewish, Sikh, Mormon, Buddhist, Roman Catholic, Baha’i, Episcopal, Hindu and Native American leaders to pray for Donald Trump. Jacob seemed to have missed this one, and he just talks about other problems with Greg Laurie such as Greg’s aligning with Rick Warren’s purpose driven church, and Greg’s defending of Hillsong’s despicable Carl Lentz and the scandals surrounding Bob Coy etc and how all of this could have been and should have been avoided.

Greg Laurie just Prayed alongside Bahai’s, Muslims and Hindus

If you click and watch this video above, last week in Washington DC, Greg Laurie participated in an interfaith prayer service for Donald Trump. The service included shamans and witch doctors. Greg speaks from 41:19 to 43:02 which is barely 2 minutes, including pauses.

Stop reading here for a couple minutes and watch the above video for at least the portion from 41:19 to 43:02, so the rest of my article makes more sense.

Harvest responds

I shared this video with some close friends last week and one of them emailed the Greg Laurie Harvest ministries (not a bad idea) to which they replied…

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Harvest Ministries are either incredibly misinformed about their pastor or they are blatantly lying and the video above proves it

Greg Laurie ABSOLUTELY knew he was sharing the stage with Catholics, Mormons, Prosperity word faith preachers, Bahai’s, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and Shamans and others!

Greg takes the stage of the interfaith service at about 40:50 in the above video. Greg is the 13th minister to take the stage, he follows a Navajo shaman, two Talmudic Jews, a Hindu, the Mormon, and two Muslims. One of the muslims actually sings from the Koran, no way you could have “accidentally” missed that one GREG!

I found the lineup of ministers published here.

  • Carlyle Begay – Navajo Nation
  • Mariann Edgar Budde, Bishop of Washington – Episcopal Church
  • James B. Magness, Bishop Suffragan for Federal Ministries – Episcopal Church
  • Randall Marshall Hollerith, Dean, Washington National Cathedral – Episcopal Church
  • Cantor Mikhail Manevich – Washington Hebrew Congregation
  • Rabbi Fred Raskind – Temple Bet Yam, St. Augustine Florida
  • Alveda King – Pastoral associate, Priests for Life, Atlanta, Georgia
  • Harry Jackson – Hope Christian Church, Beltsville, Maryland
  • Narayanachar L. Dialakote – Sri Siva Vishnu Temple, Lanham, Maryland
  • D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
  • Imam Mohamed Magid – All Dulles Area Muslim Society Center, Sterling, Virginia
  • Sajid Tarar – Baltimore, Maryland
  • Greg Laurie – Harvest Christian Fellowship, Riverside, California

For Harvest ministries to pretend Greg “didn’t know it was an interfaith service” is a LIE! Sorry to be so blunt but these people are just beginning to be just a little too brainwashed for me.

nonsenseAnother thing, Greg doesn’t preach against or to any of the other religious leaders there.

Greg instead prays for the military and our diplomatic core, our governors and mayors mostly and that all these people would be most importantly, “devoted to our nation”? That’s a wonderfully patriotic concept but where exactly is that in the bible Greg? The email above from Harvest ministries says Greg “declared the truth” but when you listen to his words, that’s not what happened. Greg was only coddling and buddying up with these other religious leaders, certainly not evangelizing or declaring anything except his own popularity.

What Greg Laurie really said at the National Prayer Service

Greg begins his prayer by addressing “Our Father in Heaven and God of compassion”. 

Now I have never heard Greg pray that way before. (Only my oldest friends know I used to work at two different Calvary Chapel owned radio stations in the 1990′s so I am very familiar with Greg Laurie). I had to google that name, “god of compassion” and I was not surprised to see what came up on the images tab of that search.

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The top results of the search term “God of compassion” turns up multiple hits to the Hindu demigod Sadaksari-Lokesvara or the Hindu god of compassion. Pretty sure Greg would know that and while it could be argued “that’s not what Greg meant”, but see the odd thing is this. Greg never prays this way. He is definitely going out of his way to come across as ecumenical here this time. I’m sure he wants to be invited back again. Oy veys mere!

All and Whatever

Greg’s prayer goes on to generically reference “whatever” once and “all who would call upon your name” and “all that they do” and goes on to pray for “all people” six or seven times total and used the name of Jesus only once at the end. According to the moderator of emails at the Harvest website, praying for “all and whatever” is “declaring the truth” and using Jesus’ name that one time at the end makes it so.

What Greg Does NOT say

A few sample of words Greg Laurie never uses even once during the ecumenical event he attended (accidentally according to Harvest) which might have been more appropriate are as follows. If Greg Laurie was really “declaring the truth”, Greg might have used words like sin, forgiveness, repentance, evangelism, study, bible, apostasy, death or hell.

No, America’s #1 Stadium filling evangelist didn’t sound anything like the Greg Laurie I knew from before. No, he sounds more like his buddy Rick Warren who prayed in the name of “Isa” back in 2009 at the inauguration of Barack Obama.

Isa is the false Jesus from the Quran who teaches people to follow Muhammed and surrender to allah! Arab Christians know this and will explain that Isa is NOT the same Jesus from the Injeel الإنجيل or as we say in English, the New Testament.

Greg Laurie’s reference to the Hindu “god of compassion” sounds a lot like Rick Warren’s reference to the false Jesus “Isa” back in 2009.

I have simply had enough. My friends who are Calvary Chapel pastors and members need to disassociate with that denomination. There are only a few Calvary Chapel Pastors speaking up. As best as I can tell, none of the Hawaii pastors are awake yet even though they all have the same information as the rest of us. At least one is outright hostile to me. It’s time to find another place to fellowship if that’s the way its going to be.

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Just about every Calvary Chapel pastor in Hawaii

For any Christians reading this wondering what they should do, my only recommendation is this. READ YOUR BIBLES yourselves so you know the genuine article well.

Calvary Chapel Pastors like Greg Laurie and Bob Coy love to confidently hang their hat on having the correct doctrine but obviously, there is a much deeper problem here than just having the correct doctrine.

Last thing if your pastor doesn’t want to talk about these things or worse yet he can only be seen on a big screen TV on Sundays or is otherwise too popular for your questions then the decision is easy… Leave that church next Sunday and just GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. These issues need to be discussed openly. Pastors need to be repenting just as much as any other group. If they would self govern, guys like me, Jacob Prasch, Roger Oakland and others wouldn’t have to speak up.

Pau for now