I haven’t written many posts this year as it has probably been the busiest, most stressful year ever for me with a few major life changes and other assorted dramas that I didn’t really want to make public. I quit all social media and trimmed the fat in many other areas so only a few people really know what I have been up to.
I honestly thought that I was going to just live out in Kentucky for a while as Hawaii is just way too expensive for most normal people and the commute was way too far for my job, however…
In a welcome turn of events, some earlier decisions I had made finally came through and the long and short of it is I was able to get another house out here on Oahu!
Altogether, I have only been gone for like 4 months total. Not only am I still in Ewa Beach, i’m actually ON the beach now! This place is amazing! We were blessed with a double rainbow last night as a early winter weather system broke apart during the evening sunset. How’z these pictures? Aren’t they amazing? (Mahalo Paul for the pro iphone pics!)
Well the neighborhood i’m now in is known for some of the best fishing on Oahu’s South shore but I will be using this house for something a little different.
Artists and authors are know to pick inspiring locations to live as it help with their creativity. While I am no artist, I do like to write and have always wanted to start and finish my first book. I have some wonderful roomates to help inspire me. Two of them are my children, and then Remi is here with me. She is my 4 legged best friend who I foster for another human.
My plan for now after I get this house up and running is to slowly restore an online presence. While I am firmly set in my opinions on many aspects of social media (none really positive), the opportunity to reach large audiences these days is still amazing and I have a favor to return to a man who has become a very good friend of mine.
Tomorrow i’ll be getting a pair of webcams online. One I will try to point at the ocean so I can see the beach from my phone when i’m “gone flying”.
The second camera will be paired with a new streaming microphone! and we’re finally going to start uploading regular content onto the Aloha Underground YouTube channel! I’ve wanted to do this for a while and there will be no shortage of content as I have many stories to tell myself, and many interesting friends who also have their own amazing stories to tell.
So far i’m probably going to start with Google Hangouts which interfaces well with YouTube live streaming. As I eventually figure out how to use all this technology, I will probably opt for my own content medium over using the free hosting Google-YouTube type services. I might not reach as many people, but the content will be mine. No censoring or banning by Facebook or Google or any other censors.
The Loadstar, a much respected and often analytically correct Air Cargo magazine has published an opinion piece on the ongoing drama and negotiations at Atlas Air, Southern Air and ATSG and Amazon.
The peculiar case of Atlas management and its increasingly poor relationship with its pilots is indeed confusing – unless, that is, it turns out to be a strategy that allows its executives to cash in big time via a smart trade sale to a key client, Amazon.
A few other things that also point to another future merger or a sale is the curious case of the Southern Air 737 operation and Titan leasing which is owned by Atlas and leases out 737′s to other operators.
It would have seemed to this blogger many years ago that all the fancy charts showed the narrow body freight market was ready to explode and indeed it did. Why wouldnt Titan get a piece of the growth with one of its own subsidiaries, Southern Air?
The 737-800 Passenger to freighter conversions are all spoken for well into the future and have already begun revenue flying. It does not appear at least as of this date in 2018 than any are coming the way of Atlas or Southern Air.
In the USA, the entire country is still served by a mere handful of narrow body cargo operators. Alaska, Kalitta II, Aloha/Northern Air Cargo and Southern Air. Growth is assured to whoever can serve the market. I don’t understand why Atlas and Titan haven’t been more aggressive with the Southern Air 737 operation but a sale to Amazon (or anyone else really) would make sense.
SOMETHING must be more valuable to Atlas’ executives than actual revenue flying airplanes. In this business, when the executives pass up assured GROWTH, that’s usually a signal that a bankruptcy or a merger or a sale is around the corner.
Since in this case Atlas is very cash rich now, the smart money says it’s another merger or a sale vs. any kind of bankruptcy.
So the Loadstar basically just published what many of us have been observing now for the past 6 months or a year now.
These are still great opportunities out there in Air Cargo for anyone else who can read the ti leaves.
I for one have adjusted my course.
The first airline to deploy pilot-less drones will be Amazon.
The slow collapse and widening of Halema’uma’u is terribly fascinating. This is a historical catastrophe unlike anything ever witnessed in modern time.
The next few weeks should tell if the crater walls of Kilauea proper will contain the collapse. It appears to have done just that (mostly) on the South side. The park is already forever changed. I hope to visit in person in August.
So I ran into a faithful brother today at the Kapolei DMV and we had a good long chat. We were two of the last of the remaining original CC Nuuanu members still going to CC Komo Mai. Since I have left, he is one of the last of the original guys still going. One of things we got into were “things Calvary Chapel Pastors always say” and I thought it was worth to share with my readers. I’ve also left a few easter eggs up on this post, hidden in plain sight. See how many you can find!
We love the CC Pastors and all the current and former members and we don’t want to be guilty of gossip or backbiting so I won’t share the greater discussion we had.
1). First thing these pastors always say. “Be a Berean”, (Acts 17:11 the Bereans “were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so”). and “If you ever have a problem with anything I say, come to me”.
What the pastor really means is, “I only want you to think that I am correctable and teachable”.
2). This statement is often followed by “At Calvary Chapel we don’t have a membership, you are free to come and free to leave”. Everyone who has ever been to any CC has heard their pastor say this. They all parrot it and it must be a memorization requirement before they get the dove. It’s typically said in a sermon to compare how much better CC’s are to all the other churches that actually have memberships.
DO NOT CLICK ME
This at first glance sounds so free and liberating but what the pastor is really saying is “yes you are free to stay but once you begin to have a problem with my response (more likely my lack of response if you ever actually dare question anything I say), the whole “your free to leave” part suddenly takes on a whole new meaning and pretty much invalidates #1 above, and is a strong indicator you are under an authoritarian ruler.
3). If you ever truly need to confess something to a Calvary Chapel pastor, they often stop you dead in the middle of your confession. “hey man, that is between you and the Lord”.
What they are really saying is, “I am probably struggling with the same thing you are and I won’t have an answer for you”.
This kind of over spiritualization is rampant in CC but I’ll caveat this post by saying not all CC pastors are like this, however…
The big celebrity pastors all are, and so are the ones who follow after and want to be like them.
4). “You’ll never find a perfect church” is yet another one of those things Calvary Chapel pastors always love to say. It may be true on the surface, but unfortunately, again, for the CC pastor, it also has a darker undertone to it. What the average CC pastor is REALLY saying is he is uncorrectable and unteachable. (He really doesn’t want you to be a Berean as described in #1) This is a subtle brainwashing of you the member, since there are no perfect churches, why bother offering any criticism of your pastor at all. And if you must question or disagree with your pastor, please refer to the “free to leave” portion of saying #2 above.
5). Any mention of “the Laodicean church” of Revelation Chapter 3 in a CC sermon will almost always be used in context of the Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses down the street. Because of this, CC pastor’s end up giving their congregations a false sense of security, very much like any other large religion and the denominations. Calvary Chapel’s never ever look inwardly at their own leaders, or traditions, teachings or congregations, which is the intent of the author of Revelation.
I’ll update this post as I remember the other things “CC pastors say” but for now please browse these links. There is a reason Calvary Chapel is now included on many Cult awareness websites.
If you have any more “things Calvary Chapel Pastors always say” please leave a comment below. And click subscribe above to be notified when I update this blog.
The #1 really committed guy is Ikaika Marzo. During the last week he has probably not slept much at all. He does a phenomenal job keeping the public updated and has also organized Pu’uhonua o Puna Info & Supply Hub, set up to help individuals displaced by the May 2018 lava activities. Pu’uhonua o Puna is the place to go if you are interested in assisting displaced residents in need.
The Kilauea, Leilani Estates and the 2018 Lower Puna Eruption already has its own wikipedia page which many people might find helpful.
These links are all local Big Island of Hawaii residents that have been posting regular updates since this eruption began there are many others also, too many to list.
Dutchsinse is a controversial earthquake forecaster, and geophysics researcher. I find his videos informative and well made. He has been updating on Kilauea at least twice a day this week, in addition to his regular weekly seismic update on the entire planet where he uses a unique software program known as earthquake 3D.
Someone else has created an interactive eruption map overlay onto a google earth format. This shows all fissures, flows and any roads with cracks on them. It also clearly shows where Puna Geothermal Ventures PGV location is.
Visitors to Hawaii should be looking for a strong trade wind pattern to maintain itself over the State of Hawaii through the Summer months so if you are planning on visiting, don’t cancel your trip, just CHECK the winds before you come.
Kilauea webcams are hosted by the HVO and also the USGS.
Another fantastic resource is Volcano Discovery dot com they have excellent viewers of Kilauea, Pu’u O’o and hundreds of other volcanoes around the world.
Cataclysmic Flank Collapse landslide and Mega Tsunami Animations
I get asked occasionally about where to find these videos or if I have ever seen them. Yes, i am aware that there is evidence Hawaii has had at least 70 “mega flank collapse” Tsunamis as portions of our various islands have been removed and fallen into the sea. The events depicted in these animations may have been similar to what John was describing when he wrote the Book of Revelation Chapter 6:14 “every mountain and island were moved out of their places”. I’m not in any rush to see one of these in real life and don’t think there is any quantifiable danger in 2018 but here are the animations.
Not every Tsunami is going to be a cataclysmic “Flank Collapse”. Most Tsunamis are less than 6 feet high but can still cause much damage. If you hear the Tsunami sirens or get an alert via any other way, just know where the highest accessible terrain is near your home. For most all Tsunamis, you don’t need to be at the top of Wahiawa, Saint Louis Heights, Pearl City or Makakilo to survive. Look around your neighborhood. Find a hill or a nearby ridge going up. Even where I live in Ewa Beach has some higher terrain. Look around you. Just have a plan. Share your plan with your loved ones, then stick to that plan.
Something like this list is a good place to start. One of the things we do is keep all our camping gear clean and packed in their bags and ready to be thrown into vehicles for a quick getaway. Also consider food, water, medicine, identification, passports, cash, a concealable firearm and ammunition.
If things get really bad, you want to be familiar with the Gray Man Theory: The Art Of Blending In During Disaster to conceal the fact that you have survival skills and/or are carrying tactical gear, food and or ammo. The theory being, nobody notices the grey man in the crowd.
Have a Plan
Particle Respirators can save your life if suddenly faced with a fresh eruption and unfavorable winds. 3M respirators such as the 6501 or 6502 types are affordable and can fit a variety of cartridges. The ones that are becoming hard to find are the 3M 6003 Organic Vapor / Acid Gas. the cartridge fits onto the respirator. Buy both of these items if you think there may ever be a risk of volcanic ash or sulfur gas appearing in your area.
While these respirators could save a life evacuating from an eruption zone, for my fellow Oahu people, these full respirators might be a little overkill. A simpler and more economical box of 3M Particulate Respirator 8511 will be more than adequate for a bad vog day 225 miles away on Oahu.
These masks and respirators can also be purchased locally at Airgas Gaspro, Safety Systems Hawaii or Home Depot and a variety of other retailers.
Other “not so” prophetic texts
The Honolulu Advertiser back in 2008 Development Soars in Risky Hawaii Lava Zones. Yes, even a blind mouse can find an acorn once in a while. It doesn’t take a word from Heaven to know if you build on the side of a volcano you might want to plan on moving one day on short notice.
For the more adventurous, it is still possible to go to Hilo and charter a small airplane or helicopter to take you over the volcano. The FAA has cancelled the 3000 ft temporary flight restriction around Leilani Estates but two TFRs still exist, the first for 2 miles around Pu’u O’o and another for 5 miles around Kilauea (both seem reasonable) but it is still very possible to still see a lot. Paradise Helicopters seems to be getting the best videos out. Give them a call if you can’t resist being up close to all the action.
If you do go to the eruption, stop by the Pu’uhonua o Puna tents and drop off whatever you can. Make some new friends and bless some of the locals in this critical time for them. Aloha.
I just finished reading the new book “Broken Trust, a practical guide to identify and recover from toxic faith, toxic church, and spiritual abuse”.
I met the author Remy Diederich recently on the “Spiritual abuse in YWAM” group on Facebook. That is a very active group with hundreds of members and daily updates. Although I was never in YWAM, at one time I wanted to be, I just never had the money to join their expensive and fraudulent DTS (THANK GOD) but they are very closely related to and recruit heavily among Hawaii”s Calvary Chapels.
I have spoken now with the author of this book, Remy Diederich a few times via chat and email. I am amazed at the wisdom he has regarding toxic and abusive churches but also realize this kind of knowledge comes at a great price.
I am about to read the book a second time and go a little slower this time. It is the best explanation I have found on how people in churches cloak abuse under the guise of spirituality.
I wish I had a copy of this 25 years ago, but its a new release, and people are just now beginning to understand what makes abusers tick.
To be fair, some people don’t know they are being abusive, they might still be able to change. Others are very good at it and don’t know any other way. Both need to be confronted.
Now finally, with Gods wisdom and many answered prayers, a few new and now very close friends, and finally Remy’s book, I know clearly now I am not the only one who has learned to identify these manipulators in church leadership.
Identifying their Scent
The abusers power lies entirely in their ability to isolate and diminish the abused persons concerns and filling their minds with doubt, condemnation, shame and guilt.
Most people never identify that they have been or are being taken advantage of by their trusted clergy. Others start to get a pretty good idea. Often times two people, sometimes very close to each other will witness the same behavior or abuse. Only one sees it for what it is, the other doesn’t. This could cause broken friendships, even divorces.
Remy makes a couple of good analogies in Chapter 27 on page 102-103. Survivors can eventually “smell” abusers a mile away, even when others can’t. We see the subtle tones and gestures in their behaviors and we start to catch what’s being said and what’s being left out of their sermons or conversations. People who have survived abusive relationships become super sensitive to abuse.
When questioned, the abusers will quickly accuse their examiner of being a “gossiper”, “over reacting” or “hyper sensitive”, a “sin sniffer” or a “pharisee” or even “slanderous”.
Confront or Leave
In an earlier chapter Remy describes how often times the abused is in a “no win” or a “double bind” situation. The best thing for most people to do is just leave, quickly. On page 45 of the book Remy uses the analogy of a burning house. Do we criticize the person who fled the burning house for using the wrong exit or not exiting quickly enough or for trying to put the fire out first? The answer is No. As long as they safely get out.
For most people the correct answer is just to leave. For a few stronger minded and stronger stomached individuals, confronting the leadership of your church may be the way to go but this often ends up back in a double bind, or as they say, spitting in the wind.
Anyway, go out, get Remy’s book. I wish I had something like it 25 years ago but God has been gracious to me. I have not left the faith,. I consider myself a stronger Christian now more than ever before. The last pastor who wrote me a nasty email accused me of many things but it was too late for him. I see through them now. They have no power over me anymore. Calvary Chapels may not technically be a “cult” but I have experienced much cult like and abusive behaviors among the top leaders of Calvary Chapels in Hawaii. YWAMs and Calvary Chapels both are showing up more and more on Cult awareness websites.
I won’t throw the baby out with the bath water and say they are “all” reprobate but I suspect at least a few are. I don’t know much about the other churches in Hawaii but was with a friend last night who has suffered obvious abuse from another large charismatic church in Hawaii. Guys please, if you see smoke, there is probably a fire. Just leave.
If any of you need help, Email me or leave a comment here, i will respond; or just get Remy’s book. Don’t let these people lay their trips on you. God is all you need. Anything else is legalism. leave these people to themselves. Get alone with God. He will show you everything you need. Remy does a fantastic job of laying this all out on pages 60-61.
The first thing to do is leave. Remove yourself from the abusive situation. #2 protect yourself if being physically or (if I may add) legally threatened.
#3 Take a break
This is important enough Ill bold it. When you leave an abusive relationship, resist the temptation to return. Well meaning believers will tell you “YOU MUST go to church” but they are wrong. This is like telling someone who just got out of an abusive marriage “THEY MUST get married again right away”. Think about how ridiculous that sounds! Take a break! God alone is all you need!
What else to do
Get perspective, this can be accomplished through a variety of means. For me it was new friends. Remy recommends journaling, prayer or even professional counseling. Next find a new community or like minded believers. Develop a new devotional life free of legalism and pharisee-ism. Finally establish new boundaries.
I didn’t do every thing in the precise order of Remy’s book and there are certain things i’ll never do. (I don’t really Journal except for this blog, and I don’t go to counseling except for the occasional trusted close friend) but pretty much got everything else done. There are one or two loose ends I need to tie up before I can truly move on with my life. I probably have a few more days of spit on my face, some spit still my own (from the wind) and others from getting yelled at at point blank range by the last and final abuser I have yet to break free from.
Pastor JD has changed his tune on this teaching. On today’s YouTube update Pastor JD will just explain. I’m very impressed with his action. It is tragically THE FIRST TIME I have seen such humility in a Calvary Chapel pastor. Good Job JD. The rest of them should swallow their pride and follow your example. Aloha JD if you sneaking peeks on my blog.
The following is my original post from 4/21/2017
James Jacob Prasch questions JD Farag the pastor of Calvary Chapel Kaneohe over his non-traditional pre-trib views, specifically JD’s interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3, JD’s mis-interpretation of the word “apostasia” (Strong’s 646), the rapture of the church, and the current global apostasy. Jacob Prasch is calling for a symposium or a discussion on this topic, not division.
Watch the Video
Jacob Prasch praises JD and the CCA (Calvary Chapel Association) for taking “something of a stand” against Brian Broderson departure and I agree. (that is, they didn’t really take a hard enough stand). Emergent doctrines and practices plague all the larger Calvary Chapels I have been to and I have yet to hear any Calvary Chapel Pastor voice a strong stand against the apostasy/departure that is flooding the charismatic churches today.
Jacob Prasch starts out very graciously in regards to JD’s teachings. By 28:00 minutes Jacob Prasch cites Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum and Dr Mark Hitchcock as those who are upholding traditional and scholarly pre-trib vs the less educated less exegetically skilled and less knowledgeable and who are deviating from it. (that would seem to be JD Farag of Calvary Chapel Kaneohe)
Jacob Prasch then says, “Without intending to offend anyone”, (pretty sure they ARE going to be offended) Jacob Prasch makes the case that this is clearly the teaching of the rank and file Calvary Chapel’s and most other Charismatic churches today and it is just the tip of the iceberg in my opinion, of the many problems facing Calvary Chapels and all of Christendom today. Jacob Prasch then describes how the 2nd generation of Calvary Chapel leaders are not as learned as Pastor Chuck or Paul Smith. Jacob also says it’s always milk teaching at Calvary Chapels nowadays and there are not many pastors at Calvary Chapels anymore who value actual academic bible study. Jacob Prasch goes so far as to describe JD as basically “untaught” as compared to more formally qualified scholars such as Arnold Fruchtenbaum or John Walvoord or Mark Hitchcock.
What Arnold Fruchtenbaum Actually Teaches
I love intelligent debates and would eagerly welcome a reply from Pastor JD. As for myself, I have a copy of Fruchtenbaums “Footsteps of the Messiah, the Sequence of Pre-tribulational Events” in my library. I decided to take a look and see if Dr. Fruchtenbaum indeed taught pre trib like JD Farag of Calvary Chapel Kaneohe or more like Jacob Prasch was asserting.
On pages 85-86 Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum clearly teaches the rapture of the church does NOT begin the tribulation. Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum teaches it will be the confirming of the 7 year covenant that begins the tribulation, NOT THE RAPTURE. This is traditional “pre-trib” vs the “imminence” doctrine popularized by Tim Lahaye, Thomas Ice, JD Farag and pretty much the rest of the Charismatic movement.
Accusations of False teachers
The problem that Jacob Prasch and others like myself have with JD Farag of Calvary Chapel Kaneohe are this. JD Farag of Calvary Chapel Kaneohe makes accusations that “whoever doesn’t teach a imminent rapture pre trib view is a false teacher” and the word “apostasy” in 2 Thessalonians actually means “rapture”.
I don’t think many Christians ever ask themselves if their pastor is part of the growing apostate church. I also don’t think most Christians ever ask themselves if their pastor would protect the congregation from wolves in sheep’s clothing or if is it possible that the pastor may be a wolf himself.
I believe we are taking way too much for granted these days. My goal is to help bring light to these questions and more.
On March 16,17,18 2017, the HIM 2017 conference is coming to the Hawaii Convention Center. Many well known pastors from Hawaii are attending. This article will take a brief look at who are they sharing the stage with and what their purpose is. Are they declaring the truth of the Word of God or is something else happening here?
Here is a preview of the lineup for HIM 2017
The lineup for the Hawaiian Islands Ministries 2017 conference has been announced and published online. Many familiar faces from around Hawaii are on the lineup and it almost puts me off guard to look any further for anything problematic.
Certainly if Ralph Moore and Elwin Ahu are going, it’s got to be a solid conference, right?
Many of these so called Christian conferences across the USA have stopped listing names of their speakers because many of them are into emergent, ecumenical doctrines, contemplative prayer, dominionism and mystical heresies and people like myself have been (to their annoyance) pointing them out. The hosts of HIM 2017 apparently have not gotten the memo because they list several speakers that have no business at a protestant, charismatic, evangelical conference. Before I start calling people out. A little foundation on where a bible believer should stand.
Acts 20:29-30 we were warned…
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
I am putting up a few of the obvious ones today but plan on expanding this warning as the conference nears, so more Christians know exactly what kind of conference this is and help them decide if they really want to attend.
A Jesuit Priest will be a featured speaker at HIM 2017
Much information exists on the Jesuits and their “Society of Jesus”. These men are deep occultists oathed to serve the Vatican and the Pope. This is the first and most obvious problem with HIM 2017. So many videos and exposes exist on the Jesuit order but as we race into the apostasy the ecumenical churches are returning back to their mother Rome.
The Jesuit Logo revealed
Their symbol is the black sun and has the initials for three Egyptian gods, Isis, Horus, Set.
To quickly find out what Jesuits think of what Christians believe just flip their logo upside down.
Oh I can already hear you crybabies out there saying I am the one who is crazy but there it is in plain sight. The Jesuits think of Christians and Our Savior as, well, just look at their logo.
I have a real job and need to make this first post quick so moving right along…
I would think the featured veteran Pastor of the lineup would know better than to share the stage with practicing Hindus but his bio actually is adjacent to this Yoga teacher Michelle Nahri.
Another Yoga teacher below, that makes two!
Oh come on, Yoga is just stretching, isn’t stretching good?
The meaning of a word tells us volumes about what that word really is. If Yoga is just stretching, the meaning of the word should reflect that.
A quick dictionary search or google search will reveal almost 100% of the time exactly what it means. From an honest Yoga instructor…
Another Yoga source describes more of the same.
Yoga by definition is BEING YOKED or attached to something else. It also means being joined or in union or subjugated or controlled or arrayed as an army.
DO NOT BE DECEIVED. WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?
The bible tells us EXACTLYwhat we are NOT to yoked to!
Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries has released an update on the continuing and escalating problems of the Calvary Chapel fragmentation now well underway.
Jacob brings us up to date on what many Calvary Chapel pastors are still denying is even happening, or they are denying the severity of it. If your particular Calvary Chapel pastor will even acknowledge these events at all, he may reference it as something like “growing pains” or a “minor church split”, but the truth is a much darker and much more problematic. For starters, Chuck Smith’s old church, CC Costa Mesa has been hijacked by Brian Broderson and is no longer even considered a Calvary Chapel. So the Calvary Chapel movement is now, as Jacob Prasch says in his video, “a fleet without a flagship”.
The Two Ton Elephant in the Room
At around 27 minutes into his above video, Jacob begins to reference Greg Laurie as being “the two ton elephant in the room”. I thought for sure Jacob was going to mention the recent appearance of Greg Laurie at the interfaith prayer breakfast the day of the Trump inauguration. This was the day when Greg Laurie joined together with Jewish, Sikh, Mormon, Buddhist, Roman Catholic, Baha’i, Episcopal, Hindu and Native American leaders to pray for Donald Trump. Jacob seemed to have missed this one, and he just talks about other problems with Greg Laurie such as Greg’s aligning with Rick Warren’s purpose driven church, and Greg’s defending of Hillsong’s despicable Carl Lentz and the scandals surrounding Bob Coy etc and how all of this could have been and should have been avoided.
Greg Laurie just Prayed alongside Bahai’s, Muslims and Hindus
If you click and watch this video above, last week in Washington DC, Greg Laurie participated in an interfaith prayer service for Donald Trump. The service included shamans and witch doctors. Greg speaks from 41:19 to 43:02 which is barely 2 minutes, including pauses.
Stop reading here for a couple minutes and watch the above video for at least the portion from 41:19 to 43:02, so the rest of my article makes more sense.
I shared this video with some close friends last week and one of them emailed the Greg Laurie Harvest ministries (not a bad idea) to which they replied…
Harvest Ministries are either incredibly misinformed about their pastor or they are blatantly lying and the video above proves it
Greg Laurie ABSOLUTELY knew he was sharing the stage with Catholics, Mormons, Prosperity word faith preachers, Bahai’s, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and Shamans and others!
Greg takes the stage of the interfaith service at about 40:50 in the above video. Greg is the 13th minister to take the stage, he follows a Navajo shaman, two Talmudic Jews, a Hindu, the Mormon, and two Muslims. One of the muslims actually sings from the Koran, no way you could have “accidentally” missed that one GREG!
Mariann Edgar Budde, Bishop of Washington – Episcopal Church
James B. Magness, Bishop Suffragan for Federal Ministries – Episcopal Church
Randall Marshall Hollerith, Dean, Washington National Cathedral – Episcopal Church
Cantor Mikhail Manevich – Washington Hebrew Congregation
Rabbi Fred Raskind – Temple Bet Yam, St. Augustine Florida
Alveda King – Pastoral associate, Priests for Life, Atlanta, Georgia
Harry Jackson – Hope Christian Church, Beltsville, Maryland
Narayanachar L. Dialakote – Sri Siva Vishnu Temple, Lanham, Maryland
D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Imam Mohamed Magid – All Dulles Area Muslim Society Center, Sterling, Virginia
Sajid Tarar – Baltimore, Maryland
Greg Laurie – Harvest Christian Fellowship, Riverside, California
For Harvest ministries to pretend Greg “didn’t know it was an interfaith service” is a LIE! Sorry to be so blunt but these people are just beginning to be just a little too brainwashed for me.
Another thing, Greg doesn’t preach against or to any of the other religious leaders there.
Greg instead prays for the military and our diplomatic core, our governors and mayors mostly and that all these people would be most importantly, “devoted to our nation”? That’s a wonderfully patriotic concept but where exactly is that in the bible Greg? The email above from Harvest ministries says Greg “declared the truth” but when you listen to his words, that’s not what happened. Greg was only coddling and buddying up with these other religious leaders, certainly not evangelizing or declaring anything except his own popularity.
What Greg Laurie really said at the National Prayer Service
Greg begins his prayer by addressing “Our Father in Heaven and God of compassion”.
Now I have never heard Greg pray that way before. (Only my oldest friends know I used to work at two different Calvary Chapel owned radio stations in the 1990′s so I am very familiar with Greg Laurie). I had to google that name, “god of compassion” and I was not surprised to see what came up on the images tab of that search.
The top results of the search term “God of compassion” turns up multiple hits to the Hindu demigod Sadaksari-Lokesvara or the Hindu god of compassion. Pretty sure Greg would know that and while it could be argued “that’s not what Greg meant”, but see the odd thing is this. Greg never prays this way. He is definitely going out of his way to come across as ecumenical here this time. I’m sure he wants to be invited back again. Oy veys mere!
All and Whatever
Greg’s prayer goes on to generically reference “whatever” once and “all who would call upon your name” and “all that they do” and goes on to pray for “all people” six or seven times total and used the name of Jesus only once at the end. According to the moderator of emails at the Harvest website, praying for “all and whatever” is “declaring the truth” and using Jesus’ name that one time at the end makes it so.
What Greg Does NOT say
A few sample of words Greg Laurie never uses even once during the ecumenical event he attended (accidentally according to Harvest) which might have been more appropriate are as follows. If Greg Laurie was really “declaring the truth”, Greg might have used words like sin, forgiveness, repentance, evangelism, study, bible, apostasy, death or hell.
No, America’s #1 Stadium filling evangelist didn’t sound anything like the Greg Laurie I knew from before. No, he sounds more like his buddy Rick Warren who prayed in the name of “Isa” back in 2009 at the inauguration of Barack Obama.
Isa is the false Jesus from the Quran who teaches people to follow Muhammed and surrender to allah! Arab Christians know this and will explain that Isa is NOT the same Jesus from the Injeel الإنجيل or as we say in English, the New Testament.
Greg Laurie’s reference to the Hindu “god of compassion” sounds a lot like Rick Warren’s reference to the false Jesus “Isa” back in 2009.
I have simply had enough. My friends who are Calvary Chapel pastors and members need to disassociate with that denomination. There are only a few Calvary Chapel Pastors speaking up. As best as I can tell, none of the Hawaii pastors are awake yet even though they all have the same information as the rest of us. At least one is outright hostile to me. It’s time to find another place to fellowship if that’s the way its going to be.
Just about every Calvary Chapel pastor in Hawaii
For any Christians reading this wondering what they should do, my only recommendation is this. READ YOUR BIBLES yourselves so you know the genuine article well.
Calvary Chapel Pastors like Greg Laurie and Bob Coy love to confidently hang their hat on having the correct doctrine but obviously, there is a much deeper problem here than just having the correct doctrine.
Last thing if your pastor doesn’t want to talk about these things or worse yet he can only be seen on a big screen TV on Sundays or is otherwise too popular for your questions then the decision is easy… Leave that church next Sunday and just GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. These issues need to be discussed openly. Pastors need to be repenting just as much as any other group. If they would self govern, guys like me, Jacob Prasch, Roger Oakland and others wouldn’t have to speak up.
It is an odd fact of life that sometimes we can be so close to someone or something for a really long time, and still have no idea what they are made of inside. In nature, animals use stealth and camouflage to hide their true selves and humans are no strangers to the concept of lying and manipulation to get their way or to get out of trouble.
How the professional liar defends the indefensible
There are many ways to discover the truth, some are more preferred than others and these techniques range from the forgiving and loving to the more sinister like waterboarding and torture.
The intelligence communities have long been this planet’s experts on espionage and information gathering. Our government knows better than anyone how to use everything from a job application to an iphone to nuclear bombs to get the information they want.
Bombing the Moon
Bomb being dropped from satellites may sound like my imagination running wild again but back on Friday October 9th 2009, the illustrious CNN reported that NASA’s strike on moon worked, mission official says. According to the article, when NASA wanted to find out more about what the moon was made of they sent up a satellite called the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, or LCROSS that dropped a bomb on the moon to kick up dust and debris. Crazy, I know. Apparently they photograph and analyze the dust cloud, then the images that are taken get processed for years to come. You know, isn’t that how life is. Even with a clear image, sometimes it takes a long time to process what we saw in the explosion.
There’s an old idiom in the English language referred to as “shaking a tree and seeing what falls out” that is often used to describe the search for truth. Less than noble attorneys in America have a rather antonymous idiom they will use that describes lying about the truth, “if you throw enough excrement on the wall, some of it has to stick”. They may use a different word for excrement though.
Sometimes in life when there is just so much garbage on your walls its time to do what the scientists at NASA did and drop a bomb to see what’s really underneath.
Two days ago I dropped one of those proverbial bombs as I sent “one of those emails” to some people I have loved for many years. I have been processing what I did and I know I am not one to revert to outbursts of emotion typically so I have been thinking hard and asking myself, “what would make me roll a holy hand grenade into a room full of people”?
I am not one to often second guess my own actions, but I awoke this morning to the rising clarity that the effect I have gotten from this, has actually been quite effective at clearing off some of the filth from my walls.
Quoting from the book of Armaments
I really don’t want to start any public drama with anyone so I am not using any names, but for the people that I blasted in proximity to my holy hand grenade, I sincerely apologize.
I have gotten some nice soundings and images of my moon shot and the smoke is starting to clear after the past day or two. Honesty is mandatory between two human beings or there is no relationship to speak of.
If this message isn’t for you, then kindly disregard.